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Patti Flanary[8:41:10 PM]: just a moment
Patti Flanary[8:48:08 PM]: OK, finished with Howard.
Let me get Kaylee going on a TV show and I will
be right with you.
Charmaine Bentley[8:48:35 PM]: no hurry my computer
keeps ringing and I thought it might be you.
Patti Flanary[8:55:42 PM]: I am here. Ready to
go....
Patti Flanary[8:56:43 PM]: Don't know why ringing?
Charmaine Bentley[8:57:09 PM]: OK. are you going
to focus on teaching or professional development?
Patti Flanary[8:57:26 PM]: professional development.
Guess I am going first?
Charmaine Bentley[8:57:48 PM]: Gives me time to
collect my thoughts.
Patti Flanary[8:57:58 PM]: We are getting a new
online gradebook that I have to teach on the 9th.
I am going to mentee with the other person who
will be doing staff development with me.
Charmaine Bentley[8:58:09 PM]: What is your idea/topic
Patti Flanary[8:58:22 PM]: It is Susan Wade. You
might remember her from pre class.
Charmaine Bentley[8:58:34 PM]: Yes.
Patti Flanary[8:58:47 PM]: I am planning on something
about timesaving tools for teachers.
Charmaine Bentley[8:59:14 PM]: will it be application
oriented or objective oriented?
Patti Flanary[8:59:36 PM]: The gradebook has seating
charts, lesson plan section, attendance, and grades.
It also does a lot of comments that are different
from what we have used in past.
Patti Flanary[8:59:44 PM]: application oriented
Patti Flanary[8:59:57 PM]: I also want to somehow
stress using the help.
Charmaine Bentley[9:00:20 PM]: help in the program
or resources available?
Patti Flanary[9:00:30 PM]: the help would be the
way of scaffolding
Patti Flanary[9:00:45 PM]: help in the program.
Teachers have a way of coming to us and not using
the help first.
Charmaine Bentley[9:01:06 PM]: ok ... problem
solving for teacher?
Patti Flanary[9:01:13 PM]: yes
Charmaine Bentley[9:01:48 PM]: is there a demand
for gradebook program?
Patti Flanary[9:02:15 PM]: It is also going to
be important that the preferences in the program
are all setup the same. That way reports for 3
weeks, etc. need to be the same district wide.
Patti Flanary[9:02:32 PM]: Yes, all the teachers
except K and PK will have to use it.
Patti Flanary[9:02:58 PM]: PK and K will be using
the attendence part because it will go straight
to admin.
Charmaine Bentley[9:03:01 PM]: have to use it....
did the teachers have input on this?
Patti Flanary[9:03:33 PM]: They have been using
a different program. It was an administrative
decision to change to a new software.
Charmaine Bentley[9:04:14 PM]: so ... will the
teachers be happy regarding change?
Patti Flanary[9:05:52 PM]: My campus will be very
happy because we are upgrading. This ties into
skyward our district database stuff. They will
not have to setup anything as far as names, six
weeks and dates. The other campuses have some
level on concern.
Patti Flanary[9:06:23 PM]: It is going to be where
parents can view grades real time. This has high
anxiety for some teachers.
Charmaine Bentley[9:06:54 PM]: ... but presumably
lesson could be adapted to other campuses?
Patti Flanary[9:07:12 PM]: We have to train whole
district....
Charmaine Bentley[9:07:40 PM]: I understand ...
part of the purpose of lesson / focus will be
to sell the application...
Patti Flanary[9:08:51 PM]: Yes, from looking at
it, that will not be hard. The part about parents
is going to be the part that I don't really know
how to approach. It is funny, super pushed this
and just heard today that he is leaving.
Charmaine Bentley[9:09:49 PM]: super pushed this
and just heard today that he is leaving... sounds
like another district I'm acquainted with.
Charmaine Bentley[9:10:06 PM]: So ... objective
1. Sell application
Patti Flanary[9:10:09 PM]: But again, as I said...my
campus will be thrilled. It is much easier to
use than what we were using. The other campuses
are just going to have to accept it as a change.
Because they have been using on gradebook, the
training should go quickly.
Patti Flanary[9:10:24 PM]: Your district?
Charmaine Bentley[9:11:15 PM]: Yes ... I think
we are now to 6 supts in 8 years( could be wrong.
objective 2. teach teachers with basic
Patti Flanary[9:11:38 PM]: I am thinking that
the scaffolding will be via the software help.
Extensions would be using the lesson plans, seating
chart and other sections. Most of the meat of
the lesson will be gradebook and attendance.
Charmaine Bentley[9:11:57 PM]: objective 2 . teach
teachers problem solving
Charmaine Bentley[9:12:25 PM]: part of the problem
with help (as with research) is learning how to
phrase the question.
Patti Flanary[9:12:54 PM]: I am trying to think
how to do a survey with an online test like was
in one of the posts to maybe help make them feel
better about the parent part. Something with some
humor in it....
Charmaine Bentley[9:13:20 PM]: ... so teaching
teachers problem solving ... locating what is
the problem and how to word question
Charmaine Bentley[9:13:43 PM]: survey to identify
what is bothering them about parent info?
Patti Flanary[9:13:45 PM]: I always love your
wording....
Patti Flanary[9:14:13 PM]: No, maybe more of a
joke with all the choices but one good choice
being something totally off the wall.
Charmaine Bentley[9:14:40 PM]: what is the concern
with parents?
Patti Flanary[9:15:21 PM]: They are worried that
parents will hound them about posting grades on
time and also about regrades.
Charmaine Bentley[9:15:41 PM]: Is that a valid
concern?
Patti Flanary[9:16:57 PM]: I don't know. When
this first came up we looked at other schools
that were doing real time posting and most of
them had a disclaimer attached for parents or
some even had contracts that parents signed. I
don't think once we get going a year, it will
be a concern.
Patti Flanary[9:17:11 PM]: Do you use an online
gradebook?
Patti Flanary[9:17:50 PM]: Some teachers sit down
at once and enter all grades and just use it for
a calculator.
Charmaine Bentley[9:18:46 PM]: Yes and no ...
we enter grades online ... but parents do not
have access (we don't have access except at certain
times of the year). I prefer hardcopy records
for safty. I use excel to keep track of grades.
Patti Flanary[9:19:32 PM]: See, even you want
a hardcopy!
Patti Flanary[9:19:57 PM]: Of course, with it
being district wide, we have backups.
Charmaine Bentley[9:20:06 PM]: I would think that
one might want to have some means of addressing
the concerns (including humor but not restricted
to humor) I have seen computers stolen, servers
go down, and machines go down ...
Patti Flanary[9:20:18 PM]: The fact that they
will be able to work at home or school is also
going to be a plus.
Charmaine Bentley[9:20:42 PM]: true and the issue
regarding disclaimers etc. could be determined
in advance.
Patti Flanary[9:20:49 PM]: Any suggestions on
how to address concerns?
Patti Flanary[9:21:20 PM]: Yes, that again is
going to be a district wide decision. They are
just going to have to get on the ball quick with
decisions.
Charmaine Bentley[9:21:36 PM]: Listen ... confirm
what you hear ... a lot like that first interactive
lesson...
Charmaine Bentley[9:22:04 PM]: problem is if concerns
not addressed adults may not be inclined to listen
and learn...
Patti Flanary[9:22:19 PM]: Yes, they are going
to tell me I can guarantee....
Patti Flanary[9:23:17 PM]: Again, I will have
the pleasure of my campus training so it will
be easier on me. The HS is the one that is really
worried. My campus has a tendency to just say
OK and do it.
Patti Flanary[9:23:38 PM]: I will not have many
HS people to train.
Patti Flanary[9:24:29 PM]: I plan on a handout
that will cover the prefs setup. I am trying to
think if a rubric can be used anywhere?
Charmaine Bentley[9:24:40 PM]: We're not that
bad but ...
Charmaine Bentley[9:25:26 PM]: back to problem
solving ... after preliminaries could lesson be
directed towards solving problems...
Patti Flanary[9:25:45 PM]: At my district, HS
is much more outspoken than the other campuses.
Love you all but much more do it my way....
Charmaine Bentley[9:26:06 PM]: rubric could be
self evaluation as to how they solved the issue.
Patti Flanary[9:26:18 PM]: Yes, I could also have
a handout with specifics on if you need help with....look
here.
Charmaine Bentley[9:27:05 PM]: yes ... could it
be structured so that teachers indicate where
it would be logical to look?
Patti Flanary[9:27:25 PM]: Again, it is easy enough
that I think they will jump right in.
Patti Flanary[9:28:04 PM]: Yes, on where to look,
almost like they could take notes....
Charmaine Bentley[9:28:26 PM]: ... a problem solving
lesson for teachers ...
Charmaine Bentley[9:28:35 PM]: under low stress
conditions ...
Patti Flanary[9:28:37 PM]: Assessement will be
how many questions we get on using the gradebook....
Charmaine Bentley[9:28:59 PM]: your assessment
or the teachers
Patti Flanary[9:29:17 PM]: Yes, the all will have
to have mastery so ...
Charmaine Bentley[9:29:37 PM]: who are the all?
Patti Flanary[9:29:48 PM]: The move into the more
advanced parts of the gradebook will be something
different.
Charmaine Bentley[9:30:00 PM]: are you training
the teachers or the trainers
Patti Flanary[9:30:00 PM]: All is everyone in
the district.
Patti Flanary[9:30:09 PM]: teachers....
Charmaine Bentley[9:30:34 PM]: the more advanced
parts ... are not easy?
Patti Flanary[9:31:35 PM]: They are, but with
it being the first year, many teachers will just
be using the basics. The more advanced teachers
in technology might jump into the other parts.
Charmaine Bentley[9:32:06 PM]: Are we talking
multiple sessions?
Patti Flanary[9:33:21 PM]: We are not really sure
yet. I am hoping that I will be doing the same
training over and over again so that class size
is small. It is what I have requested. I also
will be doing PK and K separate from others because
their setup will be different.
Patti Flanary[9:34:12 PM]: One person will be
doing each different campus. Susan Wade is doing
IS. I am doing ES. Others will cover the other
campuses.
Charmaine Bentley[9:34:38 PM]: would not scaffolding
be facilitated by having different levels in more
than one session.
Charmaine Bentley[9:34:53 PM]: what is IS (intermediate
shool?)
Patti Flanary[9:35:26 PM]: Yes, it could be but
we have found that the teachers hate to be separated
that way. They seem to like to be more grade level
grouped and then they help each other.
Patti Flanary[9:35:32 PM]: IS is intermediate
Patti Flanary[9:36:04 PM]: Part of it is keeping
the teachers happy in training.
Charmaine Bentley[9:36:19 PM]: is everyone at
the same grade level at the same skill level?
Patti Flanary[9:36:48 PM]: NO way, but they still
work well together and like to do some peer helping
during training.
Charmaine Bentley[9:37:04 PM]: Yes teachers must
be kept in their comfort zone for training to
be successful.
Patti Flanary[9:37:12 PM]: We tried the grouping
one time and it was not as successful.
Patti Flanary[9:37:27 PM]: They seemed to lose
their support system.
Charmaine Bentley[9:37:34 PM]: Ok so classes will
be taught be grade level ...
Charmaine Bentley[9:37:59 PM]: ... will one session
be sufficient to teach beginning and advanced
skills?
Patti Flanary[9:38:01 PM]: Maybe 2 grade levels,
it will depend on time.
Patti Flanary[9:38:18 PM]: No, just teach beginning
and maybe overview of advanced.
Patti Flanary[9:38:47 PM]: Then advanced can be
taught on demand at a later time.
Patti Flanary[9:39:10 PM]: Think we are about
done?
Charmaine Bentley[9:39:18 PM]: Has this approach
been successful in the past?
Patti Flanary[9:39:47 PM]: Yes. If they let us
keep the class size small. One time they tried
to do a whole campus at once. It was terrible.
Charmaine Bentley[9:40:07 PM]: Understood.
Charmaine Bentley[9:40:26 PM]: Can you summarize
the goals/objectives for the training?
Patti Flanary[9:40:32 PM]: Better to have small
class sizes for a shorter time period.
Charmaine Bentley[9:40:57 PM]: You are not being
paid by the Hour? :)
Patti Flanary[9:40:58 PM]: 1. Something about
learning the tools of the gradebook system.
Patti Flanary[9:41:28 PM]: 2. Something about
problem solving techniques for help.
Charmaine Bentley[9:41:38 PM]: good
Patti Flanary[9:41:41 PM]: 3. something about
setup of prefs
Charmaine Bentley[9:42:02 PM]: is this advanced?
Patti Flanary[9:42:24 PM]: No, I don't get paid
by hour. This is part of regular inservice. We
just get to do the teaching. We may get something
for planning time... Maybe not, depends on finding
funds....
Patti Flanary[9:42:35 PM]: During summer workshops
we get paid by day.
Charmaine Bentley[9:43:20 PM]: Your business office
shows good sense...
Patti Flanary[9:43:26 PM]: No setup of prefs is
not advanced, it is something we are going to
have to make sure everyone does the same so we
are going to need to step-by-step do it with all
users.
Patti Flanary[9:43:40 PM]: Yes, and we are suckers
and go for it.
Charmaine Bentley[9:43:47 PM]: so it would go
before 2.
Patti Flanary[9:44:10 PM]: Maybe it would be first.
Charmaine Bentley[9:44:12 PM]: NO. you are still
dedicated teachers ... not ... who can't make
it anywhere else.
Charmaine Bentley[9:44:46 PM]: ok ... so order
... prefs followed by ??? then problem solving?
Patti Flanary[9:45:26 PM]: No, I think the problem
solving would be spread out. It would all intertwine.
Patti Flanary[9:45:59 PM]: I can't really say
step one, two, three. It all would have to be
back and forth.
Charmaine Bentley[9:46:26 PM]: ok ... are we going
to video tape conference with colleague ... but
there would be a plan of order ... yes?
Patti Flanary[9:46:32 PM]: Can review the problem
solving at end as a closure. Summarize what they
had learned the whole training.
Charmaine Bentley[9:46:43 PM]: ... planned sequence
... good
Patti Flanary[9:47:16 PM]: Yes, I can also video
the training because it will be during the time
to do so. So I may have both.
Charmaine Bentley[9:47:35 PM]: sounds good ...
Charmaine Bentley[9:47:43 PM]: anything else ...
Patti Flanary[9:47:48 PM]: I don't think you have
to watch the training? Just the meeting with Susan?
Patti Flanary[9:48:00 PM]: No, thanks. You always
help me to break it down.
Charmaine Bentley[9:48:13 PM]: as before ...
Patti Flanary[9:48:15 PM]: Shall we go on into
yours?
Charmaine Bentley[9:48:34 PM]: yes ... give me
a couple of minutes ... please
Charmaine Bentley[9:49:17 PM]: be right back
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